Going Deep Podcast

Rusell Dinkins ran track at Princeton.  He knows firsthand how the sport can help Black athletes get into college.  That's why he's made it his mission to stop universities from around the country from cutting track & field and cross country programs - like at Brown, William & Mary, and Minnesota.  Dinkins joins our hosts to talk about his late

In February of 2020, Alex Gary was announced as the new athletic director at Western Carolina University.  By the time the former Catamount baseball player started the job a few months later, the whole world had changed.  Gary recounts his first year as AD in this episode with John and Marcia, and what it was like to address all the challenges that arose.  He's the first Black athletic director at both Western Carolina and the Southern Conference.

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Super Bowl 55

Feb 4, 2021

Super Bowl 55 takes place Sunday in Tampa, Florida.  It closes a season like no other in the NFL - something just about everyone can say for themselves too.  Our hosts in their annual Super Bowl episode talk how the league responded to the pandemic, plus how the results of the NFL's call for more diverse head coaches remain lackluster - a discussion that pivots to the language white people use when talking about race.

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Hello 2021 - Now What?

Jan 7, 2021

For Going Deep's first episode of 2021, John and Marcia delve deeper into the focus of their show - how sports in the U.S. mirrors American society.  Just a few hours after we taped their discussion - which mostly focused on college sports - the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol only underscored our hosts' message further.

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For this episode of Going Deep: Sports in the 21st Century, we dip into our archives for a previously two-part show where John and Marcia tell us the story of the greatest quarterback you never knew.

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The Intercollegiate

Nov 12, 2020

In this episode of Going Deep, John and Marcia talk with Daniel Libit and Luke Cyphers the founders of The IntercollegiateIt's an online media outlet that focuses on investigative college sports journalism and analysis.  

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The stature of athletes has always been apparent.  But how much power do they actually have in achieving social change?  Bomani Jones examined this in an August 2020 article in Vanity Fair.  The ESPN host and podcaster joins John & Marcia to talk about the power of athletes in this episode.

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Chris Borland

Aug 26, 2020

As a rookie linebacker for the San Francisco 49ers in 2014, Chris Borland registered 107 tackles, even though he didn't start until Week 7.  He was even NFL Rookie of the Week that year.  With a seemingly long and successful career in the league in front of him, Borland retired after his rookie season over concerns about long-term brain trauma.  He joins John & Marcia discuss why he stepped away from football, plus his-post NFL life of preaching the benefits of meditation and his internship with former president Jimmy Carter's foundation.

Two of the 'Power 5' NCAA conferences - the Big 10 and Pac 12 - have already postponed their football seasons due to the pandemic.  The three others - the ACC, Big 12, and SEC - are forging ahead...for now.  Should there be a season?  Dr.

We at Going Deep had to take some time off due to the pandemic, but we're back with a new show in a newly-expanded time slot.  The twin pandemics affecting the U.S. - racial injustice and the coronavirus - intersect with sports in so many ways.  The Shoops examined that in an op-ed for the News & Observer this summer.  In this episode, John and Marcia discuss those intersections with Dr.

A fundamental question - not just in sports but life - is 'what is fair?'  Our hosts are going to start looking for answers.  John begins by looking at 'what is fair' in baseball, a sport that has to be asking that question now given the Houston Astros cheating scandal, which seems to produce new revelations each day.  His guest is former MLB manager Clint Hurdle.

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Super Bowl 54

Jan 29, 2020

This is our third annual Super Bowl episode of Going Deep.  One topic in these shows has been constant - race.  Ahead of Super Bowl 54, we look at the NFL's Rooney Rule, and how the number of minority head coaches in the NFL has decreased over the last decade.  We also examine gender roles in football.

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This episode of Going Deep picks up where the last one left off, with Olympic hopeful and NCAA Division III steeplechase record holder Annie Rodenfels commenting on the Alberto Salazar scandal.  She and our hosts discuss the unfortunate significance of body types in women's running, and the rigors of training at an elite level.

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The world is learning more about women's elite running.  Unfortunately, that's due in part to the Alberto Salazar scandal, but there is far more to the sport than that.  And in this episode, our hosts delve into the world of women's elite running with NCAA Champion, NCAA Division III steeplechase record holder and Olympic hopeful Annie Rodenfels.  She shares how she got into running, and how training, coaching, and inner will pushed her to records during her time at Center College.  While at the school, she broke running records that were once held by our co-host Marcia Mount Shoop.

We continue the conversation from our last episode on the October 29th, 2019 decision by the NCAA's top governing board to allow college athletes the opportunity to 'benefit' from the name, image, and likeness while in school.  After John and Marcia finish scrutinizing the bullet points the NCAA put out after its decision, they focus on two factors that play into the collegiate sports model - race and geography.

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On October 29, 2019, the NCAA's top governing board voted unanimously to allow college athletes 'the opportunity to benefit' from their name, image, and likeness while they're in school.  That sentence - plus the bullet points that follow it in the NCAA release - have John and Marcia skeptical...very skeptical.  They express that skepticism and why they have it in the first of two episodes on the topic.

Name, Image, & Likeness

Oct 25, 2019

California's Senate Bill 206 - which allows college athletes to profit from their name, image, and likeness while in school - could be the legislation that breaks the NCAA prohibition on player compensation.  It passed both chambers of the California State Legislature unanimously in September, before being signed into law by Governor Gavin Newsom.  Given their history in fighting for player's rights, both of our hosts are quite excited by this.  In this episode, John and Marcia talk with Ramogi Huma, a former UCLA football player who is the executive director of the National College Players

Our 50th Show

Sep 12, 2019

This episode is Going Deep's 50th show!  Well...at least this version of the show.  John and Marcia started Going Deep when they were in West Lafayette, Indiana.  In this episode, we trace how they made their way to Asheville, and look back at the guests and issues that have really stuck with them since Going Deep started coming out of Blue Ridge Public Radio's studios.

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The 2019 NFL season starts without one of the league's star players.  Two weeks before the season was set to begin, Andrew Luck announced his retirement from the game after just seven seasons.  The 29-year-old Indianapolis Colts quarterback's decision stunned the sport and fans.  This episode sifts through the reaction - including booing from fans - to look at the physical and mental toll the sport takes on NFL players, before concluding with a beatifully thought-provoking response from Marcia to the question 'What is a fan owed?"

Dr. Joseph Cooper Part 2

Aug 2, 2019

In this episode, our hosts continue their conversation with Dr. Joseph Cooper, author of the book From Exploitation Back To Empowerment: Black Male Holistic (Under)Development Through Sport And (Mis)Education.  They focus on 'special admissions' that universities use to admit athletes - and how that really hurts and not helps the people who get them.

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Dr. Joseph Cooper Part 1

Jul 24, 2019

The Shoops welcome Dr. Joseph Cooper to the show in this episode, which focuses on his book From Exploitation Back To Empowerment: Black Male Holistic (Under)Development Through Sport And (Mis)Education.  Their conversation is so in-depth and engrossing that we've split it into two episodes.  In the first, Dr. Cooper talks about his upbringing and how it led him to write a book about how major revenue college sports exploit African-American males in particular.

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USWNT

Jul 16, 2019

On July 7th, 2019, the U.S. Women's National Soccer Team won its second consecutive World Cup title.  Their dominant run in the tournament sparked some controversy, but even that only underscored what a cultural force the team has become, not just in the U.S. but globally.  In this episode we examine how that came be, and how a very well-known law helped women's soccer in the U.S.

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John Beilein is the latest big name college coach to jump from the NCAA to the NBA, moving from the University of Michigan to the Cleveland Cavaliers.  The college to pros pipeline has always seen a lot of action for the NFL and NBA.  But which level is more challenging to coach at - college or the pros?  One of our hosts has done both, and he shares his answer.

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With the month of June over, that means all four major North American sports leagues have conducted their annual player drafts.  With that fresh in our minds, John & Marcia sat down with BPR's Matt Bush to figure which of the four drafts is most fair to players, and which one they would want to enter if they had the choice.  

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The 2019 NFL Draft takes place from April 25th to the 27th.  This episode doesn't focus on who's going to get picked and where.  Instead, it examines the language used to evaluate players - and John's chilling realization about one aspect of the draft combine process that resembles the darkest chapters of American history.

2019 Final Four

Apr 4, 2019

Where does all the revenue go?  Marcia asked that at the end of our previous episode, and we start our second annual Final Four show by answering that question.  Later on we get Machiavellian, and ask whether the end justified the means about the head coaches of two schools appearing in the 2019 men's Final Four.

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The 2019 NCAA Men’s basketball tournament will undoubtedly be remembered for many things.  One of them happened early on the first full day of the tournament.  As Michigan State struggled to put away underdog Bradley, Spartans head coach Tom Izzo started yelling at freshman star Aaron Henry as he approached the bench during a timeout.  Izzo became so heated as he yelled that Spartan players had to restrain him.  The controversy it sparked may have been predictable, bouncing between those who felt it was just old-fashioned hard coaching, and others who saw it as bullying.  Our hosts at the s

The Kaepernick Settlement

Mar 21, 2019

In February 2019, Colin Kaepernick and Eric Reid reached a financial settlement with the NFL over their grievances following the 'Take A Knee' protests that garnered so much attention and controversy.  What message does the settlement send?  John and Marcia decided to bring that up with the man they first talked to about the 'Take A Knee' protests on the show, Washington Post columnist and ESPN contributor Kevin Blackistone.  

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In the second part of their conversation with Maurice Clarett, John and Marcia examine what happened to the star running back after he was kicked out of Ohio State University.  Clarett was selected in the NFL Draft but cut a short time later after not making an impact on the field.  He wound up in prison in 2006, but jail was far from the final chapter in his life.  This episode finishes with Maurice offering a piece of advice to all young athletes - advice that caught our hosts off-guard in the best way possible.

When attending the premiere of the HBO documentary 'Student Athlete' last year, John & Marcia met someone who's a familiar name to even the most casual college football fan - Maurice Clarett.  While many know who he is, few know his real story.  Maurice certainly does, and he shares it with our hosts.  This episode examines his his recruitment to Ohio State University and leading the Buckeyes to the 2002 national championship in his freshman year.  Clarett was kicked out the school a year later because of NCAA violations, which he also details on the show.

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