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The Waters and Harvey Show

UNC Asheville
Marcus Harvey and Darin Waters

Blue Ridge Public Radio presents the third season of The Waters and Harvey Show. The weekly series - addressing the experiences and influences of minorities across Western North Carolina - has been on hiatus since March when most of BPR's studios closed because of the pandemic. We've moved over to Zoom, like many other radio productions, and have expanded the program to one-hour. The series strives to promote increased visibility and understanding of a range of challenging issues facing communities whose historical experiences often go unacknowledged.  

BPR continues to respond to the tectonic changes underway in our country and community through our news coverage and programming.  To better serve the whole of our community during rapidly changing events, and to bring our listeners a wider range of thoughtful and challenging content, we’ve updated our broadcast schedule. It now includes a range of local and national programs that address racial justice, which will be featured during more accessible time periods. A one-hour time slot was created on Friday mornings at 9:00 am and Saturday afternoons at 3:00 pm on both BPR Classic and BPR News. “The Waters & Harvey Show” is one of them and will share these time slots with other programs as they become available.  It’s also available for on-demand listening at BPR.organd is widely available as a podcast including on the free BPR mobile app and other podcast channels.

Host biographies:

Dr. Darin J. Waters is an Assistant Professor of History and Special Assistant to the Chancellor for Community Outreach and Engagement at the University of North Carolina at Asheville where he teaches courses in American history, North Carolina History, Appalachian History, African American and Brazilian History.  He also specializes in the history of race relations in both the United States and Latin America. Dr. Waters received his doctorate from The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill in 2012.  While at Chapel Hill, he worked with Dr. Harry L. Watson and the noted African American historian Dr. John Hope Franklin.  Dr. Waters’ own research has focused on the history of African Americans in Asheville and Western North Carolina.  More recently, Dr. Waters has written about issues surrounding the construction of the nation’s collective historical memory, exploring the impact that that memory has on the present.   

Dr. Marcus L. Harvey is an Assistant Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Asheville where he teaches courses on African indigenous and Atlantic religions, folklorist Zora Neale Hurston, and religion in American popular culture. He has expertise in the field of religion and literature as well. Dr. Harvey earned his Ph.D. in religion from Emory University in Atlanta in 2012. His research specialization focuses on the role of indigenous spiritual traditions in the creation of knowledge among the Akan of Ghana and the Yorùbá of Nigeria, as well as on the work of Zora Neale Hurston, one of the pre-eminent writers of twentieth-century African-American literature.  Dr. Harvey has presented and published nationally and internationally on topics related to the study of African forms of thought and black cultural experience. His work has also explored cultural identity issues surrounding the history of Asheville’s Goombay Festival.  

The Waters & Harvey Show – Program list:

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Why study history? - Darin Waters and Marcus Harvey explore the work of Carter G. Woodson, the father of African American History, and discuss the new  National Museum of African American History and Culture.

History and Memory – Darin Waters and Marcus Harvey discuss the difference between memory and history. 

History and Memory: A French Perspective – A conversation with Dr. Oliver Gloag, Assistant Professor of French and Francophone Studies at UNC Asheville, on how race is absent from that nation’s historical memory.  

Mining the Past – A conversation Gene Hyde, Head of Special Collections, UNC Asheville.  Why is the collection and maintenance of archival data important?  

Exploring the Native American Past- A conversation with Dr. Trey Adcock, a member of the Cherokee Nation and an Assistant Professor in the Education Department at UNC Asheville. 

The State of Black Asheville/State of Black North Carolina. A conversation with Dr. Dwight Mullen, Professor of Political Science at UNC Asheville and author of the annual State of Black Asheville report. 

The State of Black Asheville II– How to build on the community’s strengths - A follow up conversation with Dr. Dwight Mullen, Professor of Political Science at UNC Asheville and author of the annual State of Black Asheville report. 

Beneath the Veneer– A discussion about a new documentary that looks at success, opportunity, and equality in America through the eyes of several African-American boys in Asheville. The filmmakers are Diane Tower-Jones and Sekou Coleman. 

Training The Next Generation – “It Takes A Village” -  African in its origins, this proverb expresses the way many communities functioned in the past. On this program a conversation with Keynon Lake, the Executive Director of My Daddy Taught Me That, who is working to keep this tradition alive in Asheville. 

Civility – A look at the ways some members of our community are working to repair and improve civic discussions. A conversation with high school students Jacob Dowler and Wyatt Gildea, who have started a Social Justice Club at Christ School.

Remembering the Civil War – Understanding its place in our imagination and exploring and documenting North Carolina’s unique and complex history during and after the Civil War. On this program – a conversation with David Winslow, Senior Consultant to the North Carolina Civil War History Center.

Community Story Telling – Listening to the personal stories of real people, facing real challenges in the community may help us better understand social conditions. Of equal importance is the opportunity for the story teller to share those challenges. Interview with  JaNesha Slaughter, UNC Asheville senior, whose work at the Key Center for Community Engaged Learning is focused on  grassroots activism 

The Realities of a Career in Sports – An interview with Johnny Davis, former NBA player and coach, who is encouraging young men in the African American community to temper their   expectations about pro sports and better prepare themselves for a successful life in other professions. 

The Realities of a Career in Sports II – Darin Waters and Marcus Harvey ask former NBA player and coach, Johnny Davis, to join them for a follow-up conversation. In this episode they discuss how historical narrative can bestow or withhold empowerment to contemporary communities – especially for African Americans. 

Resilience, Reinvention, Innovation– Darin Waters and Marcus Harvey speak with Troy Ball, founder and owner of Asheville Distilling Company, about her new book “Pure Heart: A Spirited Tale of Grace, Grit, and Whiskey.” They found out how she overcame personal and professional obstacles to build a successful company and a non-profit foundation. 

The Y at 110 - With a dual mission to eliminate racism and to empower women, Asheville’s YWCA celebrates 110 years of fighting for social and economic justice. On this episode, a conversation with YWCA CEO Beth Maczka and UNC Asheville history professor Sarah Judson.   

The Legacy of Reconstruction – Part 1 - Southern Appalachia’s experience during Reconstruction continues to have repercussions today. A noted historian observed that the process of reconciling a society torn apart by civil conflict is often as contentious as the conflict itself. On this program, a conversation with historian Steven Nash about his new book: Reconstruction's Ragged Edge: The Politics of Postwar Life in the Southern Mountains.

A Splendid Failure – In Part 2 of a conversation with historian Steven Nash, we delve into the rise of the KKK and how politics was realigned in Western North Carolina during Reconstruction, which W.E.B. DuBois called “a splendid failure.”  Dr. Nash’s new book is Reconstruction’s Ragged Edge: The Politics of Postwar Life in the Southern Mountains.

A Life of Trail Blazing –Part 1 - Alfred J. Whitesides, Jr. has trail blazed across his entire life, from high school civil rights activist, banker, community leader, and now Buncombe County’s first African American Commissioner. Mr. Whitesides is also an accomplished storyteller. In this conversation, he reflects on his early days in Asheville. 

Continuing the conversation with Alfred J. Whitesides, Jr. - Continuing the conversation with Buncombe County Commissioner Alfred J. Whitesides, Jr.  Whitesides talks about the role that family ( his own and that of Martin Luther King Jr’s ) played in his life – setting standards of expectation and conduct . He talks about his work with ASCORE during high school in Asheville and his years of study at NCCU – North Carolina Central University -  the first public liberal arts institution for African Americans in the nation.

Charlotte lawyer and Asheville native James Ferguson- A conversation with Charlotte attorney James Ferguson. Ferguson talks about growing up in a very segregated Asheville  in the 1950s and 60s . His schooling at Stephens-Lee High School – the only secondary school for African Americans in WNC at that time and his work in ASCORE while at Stephens Lee. Ferguson also talks about his time at NCCU and Columbia Law School. 

Vance Monument Debate – At the center of Asheville stands a monument in honor of Zebulon Vance, the Governor of North Carolina during the Civil War. His life, his politics, and the obelisk in his name are discussed in this edition of the program. Guests include distinguished historian and Vance biographer, Dr. Gordon McKinney, and Kimberly Floyd, Site Manager of the Vance Birthplace Historic Site. Their discussion is also a preview of a symposium about Vance being held at UNC Asheville September 14-15.   

WNC’s Resilient African American Community – This edition explores the ways that local groups and organizations are working to strengthen their communities. Today’s guest is Tracey Greene-Washington, a founder of CoThinkk, a relatively new Asheville-based philanthropic organization. Its giving circle and other fundraising activities provide grants to African American and Latino organizations. CoThinkk is partnering with UNC Asheville for the 4th Annual African Americans in WNC Conference set for October 19-21.  

Coming to terms with the Civil War – The legacy of the Southern Confederacy and its lingering monuments have triggered disturbing events and charged debate. In this episode, we talk with Dr. David Blight, the eminent Yale historian whose seminal work is in the field of memory studies. Can a nation ever heal and come to terms with the immense tragedy of the Civil War?

We Cannot Escape History – Lincoln famously reminded Americans during the Civil War that they would be remembered. One of those whose memory is contentious is North Carolina’s Civil War Governor Zebulon Vance. Today’s program continues a conversation with historian and Vance biographer Gordon McKinney and Kimberly Floyd, the site manager of the Vance Birth Place and Historic Site in Weaverville.

The Civil War in the Southern Highlands – In this edition, a conversation with Les Rekker, the Director of the Rural Heritage Museum at Mars Hill University. A new exhibit at the museum about life in the region during the Civil War is helping us reckon with its unique human perspective.

Music of the Highlands of Southern Appalachia - The music tradition of a people or a region tells us a great deal about a people and their culture. On this program we’ll find out about the African American component to the music of Southern Appalachia with Doug Orr, co-author of “Wayfaring Strangers.”

Word On The Street - A conversation with Tamiko Ambrose Murray, co-founder of Asheville Writers in Schools and Community, and its “Word On The Street” online magazine. The project is designed to give young people in communities of color a voice, and an opportunity to show their gifts and talents.

NASA’s Pioneering African American Women – The hit movie “Hidden Figures” is a true story about the critical contributions that African American women made to America’s space program during the height of the Cold War in the 1960s. Our guest, Dr. Christine Darden, was a member of that remarkable team and speaks about how her dreams of becoming a mathematician were realized at NASA. 

A Gateway To Understanding & Tolerance- Outgoing University of North Carolina Asheville Chancellor Mary Grant is a champion of Liberal Arts in education. She argues that this approach is needed now more than ever.

Building Community– In a conversation with community advocate Shuvonda Harper, Darin Waters and Marcus Harvey discuss the concept and reality of how community is built and maintained. The experience of Asheville’s Southside Neighborhood shines a light on what was lost in that community and what is now being rebuilt and relaunched.

Reflections – The Waters & Harvey Show celebrates a full broadcast year on Blue Ridge Public Radio. The co-hosts pause to reflect what they’ve learned through their interviews of fascinating guests over the course of nearly three-dozen programs.

Legacy on the Land– Noted authors and conservation movement pioneers Audrey and Frank Peterman are advocates for breaking the color barrier in the national park system and opening up these national treasures in a truly inclusive way. They join Darin Waters and Marcus Harvey to discuss their approach to encouraging all Americans to re-engage with the nation’s natural wonders. 

Growing Brave By Reflection - Darin Waters cites Thomas Paine’s writing that a real person “smiles in trouble, gathers strength from distress, and grows brave by reflection.”  He and co-host Marcus Harvey take time out from their lively interviews to reflect on what they’ve learned over the course of this series. 

Brave Reflection – On this program co-hosts Darin Waters and Marcus Harvey continue a conversation that reflects on some of the thornier issues that have been raised during the series.

North Carolina’s Lost Colony– Noted author Andrew Lawler talks about his new book that explores the mystery Roanoke Island, a short-lived settlement that was established in 1585.  He also discusses how myths about American identity are tied to this very early English effort to colonize the New World.

The Curiosity Drive – On this program, the co-hosts speak with college student Daniel Suber about growing up in public housing and how curiosity and education have powered him forward. He’s now a community activist and advocate focused on finding solutions to the challenges many local communities face.

Teaching Diversity– The founding director of Asheville’s Center for Diversity Education, Deborah Miles, is retiring. She looks back on what the CDE has accomplished and the challenges ahead for the community.

Building On A Theory Of Hope– Asheville’s South Side Community was once the thriving center of the region’s African-American community. In a conversation with Sekou Coleman, we’ll find out about South Side Rising, a major project that harnesses the arts to build civic health in that community. 

The Marvelous Math Club – In this program, we’ll hear about a project in Asheville that hopes to narrow racial and economic gaps in education by reframing how students think about math. Guests are the program’s co-creators, UNC Asheville math professor Sam Kaplan and Marta Alcala-William of Asheville Public Schools.

A Small Place With A Huge History – Historian Dan Pierce talks about his new book “Hazel Creek: The Life and Death of an Iconic Mountain Community.” Its demise raises questions about how stereotypes of Southern Appalachian people cleared the way for absorbing the community into the Great Smoky Mountain National Park. 

Art On The Streets – Asheville is getting closer to commissioning its latest public art project. A conversation on this program -on how public art can help deepen our sense of attachment to our community with the chair of the City of Asheville’s Public Art and Cultural Commission Jason Miller and selection panel member Michael Carter. 

The Coolcast – Today’s guest is special to co-host Darin Waters. It’s his son Jonathan, who is working to keep himself and his generation engaged in our nation’s civic life. Jonathan’s new podcast, The Coolcast, addresses the challenges and opportunities ahead for the Biggest Generation: Millennials. He’s particularly interested in how young men of color are grappling with the move into adulthood. 

Leading The Future – As the Asheville area is grapples with the profound challenges of growth, leadership for the years ahead isn’t guaranteed. In this program, a conversation with Ed Manning, who runs Leadership Asheville, about supporting a culture of civic decision making and problem solving. 

Summer Learning Loss – Horizons is a new program in Asheville that reaches students from low-income families who are particularly vulnerable to summer learning loss because of a lack of access to quality summer programs.  We’ll find out more in this conversation with Asheville business leader Himanshu Karvir who launched Horizons.

Reflecting On A Life Of Service To Others – Co-host Marcus Harvey welcomes his father - Dr. Louis Charles Harvey – to the program. Dr. Harvey will soon retire from Washington, DC’s venerable Metropolitan AME Church. He is a scholar, educator, and pastor, and speaks about the challenges he faced and the accomplishments he attained over his distinguished career.

A Spirit of Civic Engagement -   Civic health is the social and economic vitality that results when citizens interact productively with their neighbors, involve themselves in community institutions, and actively engage in public issues. North Carolina’s current level of civic engagement offers great room for improvement. Today’s guest is Leslie Boney, the Director of the Institute for Emerging Issues at North Carolina State University.

Black Mountain College’s Legacy – The experimental college that was located outside Asheville had an outsized influence on American arts and culture. One of its many breakthroughs was inviting renowned African American artist Jacob Lawrence to become a summer teacher there at a time when Jim Crow was very much in force in North Carolina. Darin Waters and Marcus Harvey talk with the executive director of the Black Mountain College Museum, Jeff Arnal, about preserving the legacy of the school.

Big Data For Social Change- The collection and use of endless streams of information is troubling for some, but many see the possibility of harnessing big data for positive social change. On this program, Darin Waters and Marcus Harvey are joined by political scientist Dwight Mullen, who originated the annual research-based State Of Black Asheville, along with Patrick Conant of Code For Asheville. 

It Takes A Village Revisited– Kenyon Lake, the founder of My Daddy Taught Me That, discusses the dramatic growth of his mentoring program, and takes a look at My Sistah Taught Me That. It’s the spin-off for girls that his wife, Leslie Council Lake, has established.  Both organizations are responding to the significant achievement gap experienced by African American students in Asheville area schools.

North Carolina’s Jazz Giants- Jazz is one of American’s most original art forms and North Carolina musicians have played a critical role in shaping it. Bill Heath is the founder of the Carolina Bop Society and takes us through the who’s who of jazz masters from the state.

Data Access and Equity  - The challenges, dangers and benefits of data collection and analysis. Who controls access to data and where are the inequities in that access ? How can Civic Technology address these concerns and maximize the benefits of the data ?  A  conversation with Patrick Conant and Jesse Michael. 

A Culture of Leadership – Western North Carolina faces a raft of important decisions for its future and looks within its community for leaders to manage these complicated processes. Leadership Asheville plays a critical role in this process and its Executive Director, Ed Manning, joins the conversation to discuss the progress that’s being made toward developing a more robust culture of leadership for the area. 

Town-Gown Community Building – As Asheville faces a range of critical challenges and decisions, we take a look at how the city and its university interact. Our guests are Asheville Mayor Esther Manheimer and Dr. Nancy Cable, Chancellor of the University of North Carolina – Asheville. They discuss the need for a very open and honest collaboration between the two large institutions and the progress that’s been made to address major issues facing the community.

Defiant Requiem - Understanding resistance to oppression is critical to a deeper appreciation of freedom. Verdi’s “Requiem” was performed as an act of defiance by Jews held captive at an infamous concentration camp in Czechoslovakia during WW2.  The performance comes to Asheville to help launch several educational and community initiatives.

Rabbit’s Café- Historic African-American landmarks have disappeared in Asheville at an alarming rate. A project is underway to restore and relaunch Rabbit’s Café & Hotel, which played a very significant role in the community’s past. Today’s guest is musician Claude Coleman who is leading the project.

Rosenwald Schools – In the early 20th century school for African-American children were built across the south by a Chicago philanthropist, who wanted to advance black education. One of those schools was just restored in Mars Hill. In this program we find out the role these schools played during the Jim Crow era and what they came to symbolize. 

Reflections On American Education– Last week’s program looked at the restoration of a historic “Rosenwald School” in Mars Hill, which was built to provide a better education for African American students during the height of Jim Crow. On this edition, Darin Waters and Marcus Harvey forego a guest to speak with each other about inequality in our education system.  

A Challenge To Advancement - Access to capital is critical in order to participate in the American ideal of upward mobility.  For historically marginalized groups, this is a problem.  More about this challenge from today’s guest, Jane Hatley, the Regional Director of the Self-Help Credit Union.

A Jewish Perspective On Social Justice- Many American Jews understand the concept of “tikun olam” as taking actions that will repair the world. It’s a principle which underpins much of the work of Carolina Jews for Justice. On this program we speak with Judy Leavitt, CJJ’s president and Frank Goldsmith, a board member and civil rights attorney.

African American Entrepreneurs – Businesses owned by African Americans are a challenge to start and difficult to grow. We’ll find out why from Kimberly Hunter, a writer, consultant and business owner dedicated to developing the next generations of entrepreneurs. 

Membership With A Cause At the YMCA - In Asheville, the YMCA is focused on social justice as much as health and wellness. We speak with Paul Vest, President and CEO of the YMCA of Western North Carolina about his emphasis on civic engagement. 

Tackling Critical Gaps In Our Schools – Asheville has recorded the worst academic achievement gap for African American students in North Carolina. Our guest is Copland Rudolph, the Executive Director of the Asheville City Schools Foundation. She forcefully argues for us to recognize that there is a “Community-Schools” gap which contributes to this ongoing crisis in education.

Barriers For Women In Business – In this program we look at women’s business opportunities and what’s being done to create them in our region.  Our guest is Sharon Oxendine, the Director of the Western Women’s Business Center.

North Carolina, The CIA, And Torture - Following 9/11, the US government authorized the CIA to operate a program known as “Extreme Rendition.” Now we know that it involved torturing terror suspects. We speak with Frank Goldsmith, a member of the North Carolina Commission of Inquiry on Torture, which was set up to investigate the little-known, but critical role our state played in this program. 

A Clouded Collective Memory - How a society remembers its past is a good indication of how the people of that society see themselves. The historic truth about a well-known Confederate politician complicates and unsettles the collective memory. This program’s guest is Kimberly Floyd, the Site Manager at the Vance Birthplace State Historic Site.

National Parks For All– The National Park system has been called “America’s Best Idea,” but that idea hasn’t addressed the inclusiveness of our parks. In this program, a conversation with two local leaders who are working to deepen the engagement that communities of color have with the great outdoors: Earl Hunter, Founder and President of Black Folks Camp Too Initiative; and Arthur Salido, Executive Director, Community & Economic Engagement & Innovation at Western Carolina University

Do Your Little Bit Of Good Where You Are – The title for this program is a quote from Archbishop Desmond Tutu speaking about philanthropy. In this edition of the show, we dig deeper into the role that philanthropic giving plays for historically marginalized groups. We’re joined by Marilyn Ball, author of The Rise of Asheville: An Exceptional History of Community Building. 

A Return To The New Normal? - After pausing production due to the COVID-19 pandemic, co-hosts Darin Waters and Marcus Harvey return catch up and compare notes on everything from the impact of the coronavirus on communities of color to the aftermath of the George Floyd killing.

Civil Rights Roots– Today’s guest is Dr. William Turner who has made a huge contribution to our understanding of the rich African American history of Southern Appalachia.  He discusses the region’s largely unheralded contribution to the civil rights movement and connects these roots to the rising tide for racial justice in America. 

Freedom Isn’t Free – Darin Waters and Marcus Harvey remember John Lewis who believed that an ongoing struggle is needed to assure the success of the civil rights movement.  They also return to issues raised in a recent conversation with Dr. William Turner whose career was dedicated to an understanding and appreciation of Southern Appalachia’s deep African American history. One of those is the shared experience of generational poverty in both Black and white communities in the region. 

Building Relationships That Matter - What does it mean to live in community?  What role do relationships play in our sense of community?  Darin and Marcus have asked these questions in earlier shows, and revisit it in this one with their guest Dr. Meredith Doster, co-director of the William Friday Human Relations Fellowship.

Building relationships that matter Part 2 - This is a conversation that Marcus and I had a few weeks ago with our friend and colleague Dr. Meredith Doster. We’re going to return to that conversation again today.  We’ll be joined by Dr. JoJo Ledgister, the Visiting Lecturer on Women’s Studies and African Religions at Harvard Divinity School.

Questions After The 2020 Election - Who are we?  And who do we wish to be?  Our hosts Darin and Marcus have been asking this question a lot recently.  In this episode, they wonder if the results of this year’s election in any way answer those questions.  Their guest is political scientist Dr. Chris Cooper of Western Carolina University.

Marriage & Marital Opportunities For African American Women - We hear a lot about the challenges communities of color continue to face in American society.  Perhaps one challenge that fails to attract significant attention is the decline in marriage and marital opportunities for African American women.  The recent publication of the book Black Women, Black Love by Dr. Dianne Stewart is certain to change this.  She joins Darin and Marcus to discuss her book.

Reflections On American Democracy - Who are we? Who do we wish or desire to be?  Is there a we?  If not, can there ever be a “we?”.  In light of the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, our hosts ask should we conclude that what we witnessed on 1/6 is in reality who we are - a divided, angry, and violent people?

The History of the Western North Carolina Railroad - When it comes to local history and the story surrounding the construction of the Western North Carolina Railroad a group of local historians, political leaders, and interested citizens are working to ensure that the African American laborers who contributed to the construction of that railroad is not lost, hidden, or forgotten.  Dr. Daniel Pierce, a historian and professor at UNC Asheville is leading this effort and joins Darin & Marcus for another exploration into the subject of American memory.

Relationships! And relationships that matter!- What do we mean when we employ this word?  What do we mean when we say we have, or that we are in relationship with one another?  What role does relationship play in our sense of community?   Marcus and I will explore these and other questions on today's show.  We’ll be in conversation with two members of the 2020-2022 William C. Friday Fellowship for Human Relations class, DeSandra Washington and Clinton Wilson. 

COVID-19 & Black America - In this episode of The Waters & Harvey Show, our hosts examine the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on Black America.  When the coronavirus first came to the United States, it was predicted to affect communities of color worse than the overall population, and that has occurred.  Their guest is Dr. Rochelle Brandon, and OB-GYN with a practice in Charlotte.

What is civic engagement, and why is it important? - This episode of The Waters & Harvey Show is an edited version of our live event we did February 11th on BPR’s YouTube channel, which you can view here.  Our hosts discussed civic engagement and its many forms with a panel of guests that will be familiar to our listeners, plus two students from Asheville High School – Seth Bellamy and Miranda Williams.

More On Relationships & Building Relationships That Matter - We’ve been talking a great deal about “community” and what it means to live in community.  We will continue that conversation today.  We will be joined by two members of the 2020-2022 class of the William C. Friday Fellowship for Human Relations - Dalton Dockery and Willard Watson III

Mitch Landrieu - History and Memory – and their intersections – are recurring topics on The Waters & Harvey Show. We live in a culture that prizes memory, but what is remembered and what is forgotten are the sources of great tension in American society. 

As Asheville deals with the fate of the Vance Monument, our hosts speak with a leader who faced a similar situation - former New Orleans mayor Mitch Landrieu. In this powerful episode, he discusses the very personal reasons that led him to order the removal of Confederate monuments in the city.

The Work Of The Vance Monument Task Force - This week, Asheville City Council voted to remove the Vance Monument from Pack Square, following the recommendation made by a task force of community members.  Our hosts talk with the youngest member of that task force Savannah Gibson.

A Time For Reflection - A primary aim of The Waters & Harvey Show is to hold conversations that allow people to pause, listen, and reflect on the stories and experiences of others.   After their recent run of shows that looked at the pandemic, civic engagement, and how the Confederacy is remembered in the U.S., Darin and Marcus use this episode to reflect on all they heard and learned.

From Relationship To Reparation: The Order Of Things - In this episode, Darin and Marcus again speak with Dr. Meredith Doster of the William C. Friday Fellowship for Human Relations.  They talk about the four R’s important to building and living in community – rest, reflection, relationship, and reckoning.  This sets up our next run of shows which will look deeply at another R – reparations.

Reclaiming Some Of Asheville’s Forgotten History- In this episode of The Waters & Harvey Show, we talk about forgotten history, and why it gets forgotten. Our co-host Dr. Darin Waters helped reclaim a piece of Asheville's forgotten history when he and Citizen Times reporter Joel Burgess went looking for the grave of the city's first Black elected official. Hear the story of Newton Shepard and the quest to find where he's buried in Riverside Cemetery in this episode.

What is justice? And what form of reparations will bring racial justice? - The show does its second live event, this time with a focus on reparations in Asheville.  Among the guests for this program are Asheville City Manager Debra Campbell, civil rights attorney James Ferguson II, ‘State of Black Asheville’ creator Dr. Dwight Mullen, and former UNC Asheville board of trustees member and retired Blue Cross Blue Shield Senior Vice President King Prather.

Further Reflection On Justice & Reparations - In this episode of The Waters & Harvey Show, our hosts reflect on their most recent conversation about justice and reparations.  They get some help doing that with members of the current William C. Friday Fellowship on Human Relations – Angie Flynn-McIver of Asheville, and Dr. Ryan Emanuel, a citizen of the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina.

Global Impact Of BLM And America’s ‘Woke’ Culture - In this episode of The Waters & Harvey Show, our hosts examine the global impact of America’s racial justice protests, the Black Lives Matter movement, and ‘woke’ culture.  Their guest is their UNC Asheville colleague Dr. Oliver Gloag, a professor of French and Francophone studies.

A New Theme- In this episode of The Waters & Harvey Show, we debut a new theme song ‘Lee-Roy.’  It’s from the jazz band The Core, and our hosts talk with members of the group about the song, and their shared love of jazz.  Plus, Darin and Marcus also reflect on the roots of their show, and how music has always been an important part of it. 

Welcome Back - The Waters & Harvey Show is back! Our hosts catch up on all the life changes they've seen in recent months, and then question whether the questions they were asking in 2021 still resonate in 2022 - who are we and who did we wish to be?

In Relationship - Our hosts have talked before about what it means to be 'in relationship with each other', and they continue their discussion on that topic with members of the current William C. Friday Fellowship for Human Relations. Their guests include Kevin Rumley, coordinator for the Buncombe County Veterans Treatment Court.

The history of Black History Month - In this episode which falls during Black History Month, our hosts examine the history of the celebration, including why it’s the month of February.